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October 12, 2005

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Clint Walker

I agree and disagree. I agree that the stylistic stuff is not going to cut it. But I disagree because I think in some churches the present worship has become so intractable and self-serving that it is hard for the Spirit to move. At some times like that, it may be better to grow around the majority of a congregation that does not want to grow than to grow THROUGH a group that does not want to grow or change.

Steve

Phew, that is a load - lot's to digest! Thanks for the post.

mumcat

Thanks for an interesting article.

mark

wonderfully stated and much-needed opinion, ryan. i hope you don't mind that i linked your post on my own blog. your thoughts reflect much of what i've been thinking about, but more concretely and eloquently than my thoughts have run so far.

dan

Yes! Why can't (the collective) "we" get this? Okay, we're blind... or afraid - or both, and then some. Like the title of that film, "Something's Gotta Give..." And soon, something will!

hamo

great thoughts Ryan - its not that complicated is it?!

enjoyed your blog

John

Thank you! You have just eloquently summed up what I have been trying to say since I first heard of "seeker-sensitive" services. Those not churched need us to come to them, not the other way around.

Glen Fitzjerrell

I caught your article on NextWave, and really loved it brother. Having written myself for NextWave and most recently to Ginkworld(reposted to my blog http://glenfitz.blogspot.com ) I'm really glad to have another brother like yourself give real resonance to some of the stuff I've been writing and thinking about. It's always good when you're shouting, "yeah!" at the computer screen in agreement. Keep it coming.

Rich

Great stuff. My question is, once the connection is made in the community how does the church worship in such a way that those seeking to follow/worship Jesus don't feel alienated? They're going to have to learn some kind of new "worship language", shouldn't we make that as painless as possible so that they can worship in a language that is close to the language they use in the rest of life? Doesn't that help to alleviate the sacred/secular split?

steven

Loving God and your neighbor. It's that simple.
So anything that takes us away from that needs to be examined
closely.

Rachel

I have a question. I've been trying to figure out my own best way of worship and i feel like i'm coming up short. I don't think church is really for me. We have one contemporary service a month and i go to those and they keep my attention just fine, but i dont feel that i get anything from the regular by the book services. Could you suggest some way for me to worship on my own or give advice to help bring more meaning to "regular" church services? Thanks in advance for any help i can get.

Rachel

I have a question. I've been trying to figure out my own best way of worship and i feel like i'm coming up short. I don't think church is really for me. We have one contemporary service a month and i go to those and they keep my attention just fine, but i dont feel that i get anything from the regular by the book services. Could you suggest some way for me to worship on my own or give advice to help bring more meaning to "regular" church services? Thanks in advance for any help i can get.

Ryan

Rachel, part of the problem is that church is done to you -- you are not part of the planning process, so the way the community worships does not take your voice into account. It is for others. So, either look for ways to be involved, or find like minded others who can meet as a small group to worship -- a venue where you can bring your whole life to God.
Just some ideas off the top of my head...

Idetrorce

very interesting, but I don't agree with you
Idetrorce

Maximus

I would like to see a continuation of the topic

Tom

Ryan,
I attend Central Christian in Henderson, NV. When we left two years ago, it was changing, we returned 2 years later and we found that many members left due to these changes. I am frustrated witht he seeker friendly church model and more frustrated that any church you attend feels a need to follow thi model. It's truly destorying the Christian culture breeding a generation of shallow Christians who may never truly "get it". Is my assumption wrong, because I am running into "weaker" Christians more frequently.

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