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August 22, 2005


Sivin Kit

wow! you said it so much better than I could :-)


That was really good...but.

Some thinking out loud: I wonder, would it be fitting to voice some critiques, even if you don't share them? Or to put it another way, where does McLaren have room for improvement? That was afterall a pretty one sided review.

On the other hand, if one did have critiques, is it fitting to offer them in public? I mean, pastorally, we don't typically critique people in public. Although what McLaren says is public, so I suppose it could be critiqued publically.


It seems that the issues surrounding the modernity vs postmodernity, and evangelism vs being missional battles are entirely too polarized. Maybee that is why there is no critique here?

Those that do have negative things to say are entirely too unforgiving about what they typically say, labeling people like McLaren as potential heretics, and those that tend to agree with him, which includes me, have nothing negative to say. Shame on me and all of us, we need more critiques of a helpful nature.

Ryan Bolger

I think there has been extensive critique of Brian and those like him. As a missiologist, I want to encourage those who venture out and take risks, who explore and live on the edge between church and culture. It is going to be messy and tentative. Thus, the last thing I want to do is cut someone down before they get going. There will enough time for armchair quarterbacking in a few years...

John W. Morehead

Thanks for sharing your perspective on Brian McLaren, Ryan. I have appreciated his work for some time as well. In some of the circles that I try to speak into Brian and the whole emerging church movement have been deemed heretical. In my view such folks seem more interested in perpetuating Christianity as perceived within an Enlightenment paradigm rather than being able to critically reflect on the way of Jesus in light of changing cultural circumstances. It seems to me that a constant synergy between missions and theology would be a helpful remedy for the Western church seemingly inexorably linked to modernity.

I appreciate your insights informed by the academy and missiology. Perhaps your comments will permit others to see McLaren in a different light.



I'm with you, I definately want to empower people, not cut them down. When I say critique, I mean that in a positive way. And I have no doubt that Bryan and others are doing the best they can. The predominate number of people that do critique are way too harsh. What we need are people that can offer ideas for improvement, with brotherly kindness.

ps the new colors look great!



You mentioned "traditional apologetics" (TA). Can you cash out what you mean by TA? What does TA look like?

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