A worried student asked me the above question --
That student elaborated by asking -- can I be politically conservative, economically pro-capitalist, theological conservative and still be postmodern, i.e. emerging?
My initial response to the latter question was, well, yes -- and no.
I would give the same answer to one who is politically liberal, economically a Marxist, and theologically liberal: 'yes -- and no'.
No, because from a postmodern vantage point, both conservative and liberal are modern positions. They hold up single ways to view things while excluding other perspectives.
Yes, because a person cannot leave his/her own culture. Modernists have a whole way of life built around their beliefs and it is not like they can leave those practices behind. However, they may be able to hold them more lightly and recognize the other side of things, especially in regard to the gospel.
The gospel critiques modernity (conservative and liberal) and postmodernity, as it does all cultures. Because of this, all of our positions we must hold tentatively as God's ways hold ultimate priority. Therefore, taking my cue from many emerging churches, I hold the Sermon on the Mount as my primary 'constitution' or authority if you will (as it was for the first few centuries) and believe it trumps all other allegiances including governmental ones (all across the political spectrum).
These were my initial thoughts on my students question...
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So wonderful here, Ryan - so many times in our story, we offer to God part of ourselves - can I follow you and still be x or y or z
the Incarnation is pretty clear: no, then yes, but ultimately, why ?
Posted by: bob | August 03, 2005 at 02:07 PM
sometimes I think you have to be to be emergent...Christian worldview is a perfectly fine phrase might 1 add
small rant:No POMO
emergent defined: post evagelical, indie coffee shop intelligetical, moderate theologians who are starved for litergy and candles in a 21 century missional context who are focused on the arts, questioneering the new pomo world (not porno) and jesus and social issues.
yeah I am a bit Post modern emergent-ed out but they are still cool...
Posted by: L | August 03, 2005 at 05:20 PM
I like your answer, Ryan.
Posted by: will | August 03, 2005 at 10:05 PM
Glad to see you back in the blogosphere Ryan. One thing that was a bit troubling in your student's question - something you may bring up with them - was the statement...
"postmodern, i.e. emerging"
That's a problem thought that I've been trying to point out for a while and it keeps cropping up. I guess saying it again won't hurt. The entire "emerging church" phenomenon is NOT dependent on postmodernism. In other words, I do not believe one needs to be a "committed postmodernist" (whatever that is) in order to be involved in a community that is a part of the emerging church.
Again, it's unfortunate that a certain sector of this whole "thing" is limelighted and therefore, in the minds of outside onlookers, end up defining everything.
Besides all that, it's not something you "join" like a denomination or club. "Put your hand on this Brian McLaren book and repeat the following oath/creed..." Not quite. Peace to you.
Posted by: + Alan | August 04, 2005 at 06:39 AM
Yes, as long as your Sermon on the Mount is the same as Jesus' recapitulation of the entire OT law and prophets brought into clearest focus through his renewal of the older misunderstood and mismanaged revelation.
I hear so much Sermon on the Mount stuff that is a bit too far removed from Matthew's lens. To be cliche, the North American Church often preaches the Sermon on the Amount.
The Sermon on the Mount always kills me - I think Jesus meant it to. He stretches the boundaries of the kingdom into his realm of sheer grace. John 17 gives me hope and a way into the trinitarian life. The way through suffering...
Any Rabbi can pontificate upon a hillside. When Jesus descended from that place what was the first thing that happened?
A leper cleared the air, "Lord, if you're willing you can make me clean."
From Isaiah 1 (NIV)
Ah, sinful nation,
a people loaded with guilt,
a brood of evildoers,
children given to corruption!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have spurned the Holy One of Israel
and turned their backs on him.
Why should you be beaten anymore?
Why do you persist in rebellion?
Your whole head is injured,
your whole heart afflicted.
From the sole of your foot to the top of your head
there is no soundness—
only wounds and welts
and open sores,
not cleansed or bandaged
or soothed with oil.
Of course Jesus was willing to make him clean. He was willing to make them all clean - to touch them all with that coal from the altar. In Word and Deed, revealling His Way. The burning ember of His sacrafice.
Some say "Do". Some say "Be". Jesus said, "dobedobedobedo."
Posted by: kbartha | August 04, 2005 at 11:58 AM
Alan,
I agree, one does not need to be a postmodernist per se to be 'emerging'. However, someone looking to embody church life in these emerging cultures will share common cause with much of the postmodern critics have said and done: offering a challenge to secularity, i.e. pointing out the spirituality of everyday life, offering a challenge to individualism, a challenge to disembodied spirituality, a challenge to hierarchical power relationships...and the list goes on...Postmodern critics offer tools to listen to the marginalized, point out other options. True, we don't need to align ourselves with postmodernists, but they offer an extremely helpful set of tools to those seeking to do mission in the West.
Posted by: Ryan Bolger | August 04, 2005 at 05:21 PM
kbartha,
yes, i agree -- the sermon the mount that challenges all our loyalties and models a completely different reality to be lived among the various sub-cultures of the world.
Thanks for the post.
Ryan
Posted by: Ryan Bolger | August 04, 2005 at 05:23 PM
I would love to be part of a world where people no longer think of themselves as conservative or liberal, or even modern or postmodern or emergent, or whatever label we are prone to give ourselves and others, part of a world where we (the blood-bought)are seen only as being Christ. I realize that we feel it neccessary to have a framework in place or a context for our culture, but my desire is to mature beyond any of that. I live in a very rural area of Southeast USA. The discussions that take place surrounding much of the emergent church (involvement of the arts, questioneering the pomo world, etc.) has little if any to do with life out here. I would scarcely even consider these folks modern, and consider them blessed because of it. All they want is religion that is real and to be with people they can read well, people who mean what they say, say what they mean, and do what they are supposed to. They are simple folk and pray that their lives only simply show Jesus to the world around them.
Posted by: ray rawley | August 15, 2005 at 02:25 PM
Ray, thanks for your comments on traditional culture and faith. I wish you well on your service to them...
Posted by: Ryan Bolger | August 18, 2005 at 06:09 PM
I'm amazed at the lack of logical consistency espoused in the emerging postmodern perspective. You reject (sort of) the notion that one must become liberal to be emerging because the very nomenclature is a modernist construction in that it "holds up single ways to view things." But then you go on to note the authority of the Sermon on the Mount as the ultimate arbiter of political action, holding it up as the single way to view political engagement. Furthermore, your identification itself of "liberal" and "conservative" as a modernist construction is a single way to the view modernist ideology. Moreover, how many emerging leaders are actually "politically conservative, economically pro-capitalist, theological”?
Posted by: John | May 29, 2006 at 12:09 PM